Did the rise of New Atheism end up doing more damage to its own cause than good?Can we ever truly escape our need for religion, and is the West turning back to God?Ben is joined by longtime friend Justin Brierley, formerly of the "Unbelievable?" podcast to discuss the new trends in spirituality that we are seeing unfold across the secular world. They also talk about Justin's newest book, The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God: Why New Atheism Grew Old and Secular Thinkers are Considering Christianity Again.